It was a centralized system of bottom-up reporting and top-down management, it was an experiment in cybernetics first pioneered by the soviets and most ambitiously by Allende in Chile. The top-down management aspect is part of what made it so successful. I have read up on theory, don’t worry.
Yes, I have. I am not contradicting it, information was sent to the central level and decisions sent back based on those inputs, typically aided by cybernetic algorithms.
Information from the field would be fed into statistical modeling software (Cyberstride) that would monitor production indicators, such as raw material supplies or high rates of worker absenteeism. It alerted workers in near real time. If parameters fell significantly outside acceptable ranges, it notified the central government. The information would also be input into economic simulation software (CHECO, for CHilean ECOnomic simulator). The government could use this to forecast the possible outcome of economic decisions. Finally, a sophisticated operations room (Opsroom) would provide a space where managers could see relevant economic data. They would formulate feasible responses to emergencies and transmit advice and directives to enterprises and factories in alarm situations by using the telex network.
I wasn’t actually the one advocating specifically that program, and I’m not interested in arguing a Wikipedia article with somebody who’s never actually read the literature and understands none of the underlying concepts.
You’re reading to confirm what you believe, looking for key words, not to acquire new information. Thats how Hitler said to read in his book. I urge you to better reading material.
If you’re too addled by the 20s to make it through a doorstopper pike 'brain of the firm’¹ there was a podcast called ‘general intellect unit’ where a couple Marxists explored the concepts and went over the key points. Listen to most of that at minimum.
¹not a dig at you; I probably couldn’t at this point. Shit’s fucked. Kind of afraid to check.
I’ve read quite a bit more than just Capital. I don’t think trying to have a “theory measuring contest” is useful, nor does it actually constitute a point.
It was a centralized system of bottom-up reporting and top-down management, it was an experiment in cybernetics first pioneered by the soviets and most ambitiously by Allende in Chile. The top-down management aspect is part of what made it so successful. I have read up on theory, don’t worry.
Each factory would send quantified indices of production processes such as raw material input, production output, number of absentees, etc. These indices would later feed a statistical analysis program that, running on a mainframe computer in Santiago, would make short-term predictions about the factories’ performance and suggest necessary adjustments, which, after discussion in an operations room, would be fed back to the factories. This process occurred at 4 levels: firm, branch, sector, and total.
Where did I say I didn’t recognize it? My point about Cybersyn is that it’s an example of economic planning driven centrally with bottom-up input, it’s pretty standard Marxist economics.
Each factory would send quantified indices of production processes such as raw material input, production output, number of absentees, etc. These indices would later feed a statistical analysis program that, running on a mainframe computer in Santiago, would make short-term predictions about the factories’ performance and suggest necessary adjustments, which, after discussion in an operations room, would be fed back to the factories. This process occurred at 4 levels: firm, branch, sector, and total.
Project Cybersyn was a real, socialist, working system, comrade and it was based on the same principles as brain of the firm.
It was also an example of centralized economic planning and administration, too.
Read the damn book. Sometimes it is in fact necessary to read more than a sentence from wikipedia to understand a new idea. This one’s worth it.
Edit: nvm. The Wikipedia initial blurb also mentions devolving decision making in the main thing. Didn’t even read that much.
It was a centralized system of bottom-up reporting and top-down management, it was an experiment in cybernetics first pioneered by the soviets and most ambitiously by Allende in Chile. The top-down management aspect is part of what made it so successful. I have read up on theory, don’t worry.
Have you actually read anything about this topic? Besides the Wikipedia page you’re contradicting?
Yes, I have. I am not contradicting it, information was sent to the central level and decisions sent back based on those inputs, typically aided by cybernetic algorithms.
Central planning.
I wasn’t actually the one advocating specifically that program, and I’m not interested in arguing a Wikipedia article with somebody who’s never actually read the literature and understands none of the underlying concepts.
You’re reading to confirm what you believe, looking for key words, not to acquire new information. Thats how Hitler said to read in his book. I urge you to better reading material.
If you’re too addled by the 20s to make it through a doorstopper pike 'brain of the firm’¹ there was a podcast called ‘general intellect unit’ where a couple Marxists explored the concepts and went over the key points. Listen to most of that at minimum.
¹not a dig at you; I probably couldn’t at this point. Shit’s fucked. Kind of afraid to check.
Tankies are like Christians; you’ve all read exactly one book¹, and decided that was enough and you know everything.
¹counting ‘capital’ as one, admittedly a much better one on every metric but entertainment value and metalness
I’ve read quite a bit more than just Capital. I don’t think trying to have a “theory measuring contest” is useful, nor does it actually constitute a point.
No I just think you’re all fucking idealists.
I understand your claim, it just doesn’t hold water.
‘Materialism’ is not just an aesthetic and flavor of idealism to project, dear.
Hey, we agree on something!
Also probably on roughly what should be done to everyone in power right now, and other Nazis.
I’m in favor of having fun with it, though.
Nope, it was decentralized. Read up on the theory, dawg.
If you call that system centralized, then most anarchists want to establish a centralized system.
It was a centralized system of bottom-up reporting and top-down management, it was an experiment in cybernetics first pioneered by the soviets and most ambitiously by Allende in Chile. The top-down management aspect is part of what made it so successful. I have read up on theory, don’t worry.
As @Horse@lemmygrad.ml already replied to you:
Like shit you have if you don’t recognize the title “brain of the firm” being written by the fucking architect of Cybersyn.
Where did I say I didn’t recognize it? My point about Cybersyn is that it’s an example of economic planning driven centrally with bottom-up input, it’s pretty standard Marxist economics.
The bullshit about it being “first pioneered by the soviets”. Stafford Beer wasn’t a Soviet.
Soviet experiments in cybernetics predates Beer.
seems pretty centralized to me dawg