I 99.5% agree and sympathize. I know how lucky I am that the biggest existential threats I’ve faced are depression and joblessness, and a lot of my friends are much less lucky. I don’t know how to fight for them while also making sure they’re safe.
The remaining half a percent is when you say it’s not personal. A lot of these memes and a lot of comments I get from MLs seem quite personal, treating “liberals” as a monolith.
My curiosity is genuine piqued. Any recommendations to read about this in particular?
I’ve been thinking for a long time that any large-scale organization will lead to greed, corruption, injustice, et al. It’s only since I’ve been reading about ML that I learned I lean anarchist. Vanguard parties sound like a bad idea to me.
I can’t assess if I think this way because of American indoctrination right now, but y’all just seem so mean and angry.
Everything I see come out of ML instances here has the same sneering, tribal in-group-good-out-group-bad attitude that I see not only MAGA people post, but also what I’ve seen queer people post that drive “normies” away and push them into conservative rabbit holes.
I understand y’all are frustrated with liberals and liberalism and the capital-W West. I agree that the injustices of these systems is sickening. But these memes are being broadcast outside any echo chamber, and they attack individuals personally, who also use very different terminology.
Lemmy’s MLs have terrible optics and, frankly, I think that’s hurting your cause a lot more than MLs seem to care. You’ll never get their support and they’ll resist you and your cause.
I’m also looking for a reason to believe that the MLs here aren’t a bunch of angsty edgelords who just use ML as an excuse for lashing out. You definitely seem like the rare exception, Cowbee, and I appreciate you for it.
So Marxist socialism and classical liberalism are mutually exclusive?
With all due respect, that’s sounds like leaps of logic, like saying he scientific theory leads directly to and only to nuclear warfare.
Does classical liberalism only lead to slave trade/colonialism?
I’m guessing I got downvoted because I said I’m fine with classical liberalism?
Ok, cool. I’m asking out of genuine curiosity. How does this post make you feel? You’re in the overlap of the targeter and the targeted.
As a show of good faith, let’s commiserate. I agree that our “founding fathers” weren’t good people by today’s standards, but I’m in the camp that their ideas of classical liberalism were fine. I feel shame that our country is built on genocide, slavery and exploitation, but at the same time, I want to hold our current leadership to a higher standard and ahem prosecute them. I understand that you don’t agree with classical liberalism, and that’s fine, I’m not looking to pick a fight. But I imagine you feel some confusion and conflict as I do?
How many MLs reading this are Americans?
Skueomorphism is great but Liquid Glass feels like someone told Apple “UI should be invisible” and they took it literally instead of metaphorically
I don’t care for a UI that insists upon itself
Good point. Posted that between combat turns in D&D 😓 it’s anti-Lemmy, not anti-left.
Seeing MLs post anti-left stuff like this makes me think of Monsignor Wicks from Wake Up Dead Man. Alienating the out-group to strengthen the bonds of the in-group.
HELL YEAH <3
I think ML isn’t for me but @Cowbee has been super patient in answering my questions and I’d love to consider them a friend
What’s your (or MLs in general) definition of “a liberal”? Real question, genuinely curious. The people (Americans) I know who would call themselves “liberal” don’t and wouldn’t support a “blood for oil” war like this. The liberals I knew didn’t support the Iraq invasion in the 2000s and won’t support Venezuela now.
It seems - and please correct me if I’m wrong - that MLs use the term “liberal” very broadly, even in a way that would include American Republicans and MAGA devotees. As in, anyone who lives (whether or not they like it) under a capitalist regime, like a Western neo-liberal. Or even, it seems like MLs call anyone who isn’t as far “left” as they are liberal.
Is there some kind of hypocrisy or irony subtext I’m missing? I don’t understand why this is a juxtaposition
It’s so weird that MLs post on a platform specifically designed to be federated and didn’t expect any friction for posting non-mainstream opinions.
It’s doubly weird that they lash out instead of using the opportunity to evangelize.
I’m more and more convinced that the consumption of political theory is more about tribalism than justice. Maybe justice only comes from tribalism…
See? This is precisely what I’m talking about