Personally I feel that the hate for AI is misplaced (mostly, as I do get there is a lot of nuance regarding peoples feelings on training sourcing etc). Partially because its such a wide catch all term, and then mostly, by far, because all of the problems with AI are actually just problems with the underlying crony capitalism in charge of its development right now.

Every problem like AI “lacking empathy” is down to the people using it not caring to keep it out of places where it fails to accomplish such goals or where they are explicitly using it to strip people of their humanity; something that inherently lacks empathy.

If you take away the horrible business motivations etc, I think its pretty undeniable AI is and will be a great technology for a lot of purposes and not for a lot of the ones its used for now (this continued idea that all UI can be replaced such that programmers wont be needed for specific apps and other such uses).

Obviously we can’t just separate that but I think its important to think about especially regarding regulation. That’s because I believe that big AI currently is practically begging to be regulated such that the moat to create useful AI becomes so large that no useful open source general purpose AI tools can exist without corporate backing. That’s I think one of their end goals along with making it far more expensive to become a competitor.

That being said this is a little bit out of hand in that this was about software in general, and regarding that and AI, I do believe empathy can be included, and built correctly, a computer system could have a lot more empathy than most human beings who typically only have meaningful empathy towards people they personally empathize with in their actions, which leads to awful systemic discrimination reinforcing practices.

As for the flock example, I think its almost certain they got in with some backroom deals, and in a more fair world… where those still exist somehow, the police department would have a contract with some sort of stipulations regarding what happens with false identifications. The police officers also would not be traumatizing people over stolen property in the first place.

That is all to say, I think that often when software is blamed, what should actually be blamed is the business goals that lead to the creation of that software and the people behind them. The software is after all automation of the will of the owners.

Burden of proof? You literally just made your first point about anything I said, I shouldn’t have even wasted the time responding.

You are really staking your argument on thinking companies don’t get consequences for software fuckups?

• Equifax: up to $700M settlement after failing to patch a known vulnerability that led to the 2017 breach
• TSB Bank (UK): £48.65M fine for the 2018 core-banking migration meltdown that locked out customers
• Uber: settled with the victim’s family after its AV killed a pedestrian in testing
• Boeing 737 MAX: paid $2.5B for hiding MCAS flight-control software flaws
• CrowdStrike: shareholders sued after a faulty update locked up Windows PCs worldwide and it lost a shit ton in value over that incident

I’m sure you’ll make up some excuses for why somehow none of these count, but the list is so deep you could debate every example here and 10 more would pop up. Tons more happens behind the scenes too with SLA contracts etc.

This sounds like you knew you were wrong all along but still wanted to be a snide, condescending, and undeservedly arrogant about it.

The fact that some don’t doesn’t mean that none do.

You go do some leg work before requesting it of me after thinking you could just troll your way out of your ridiculous initial comment

Reading your other comments outside this thread, this whole chain seems so illogical. What triggered this bizarre emotional reaction to such a relatively innocuous comment? You must have been reading something in.

With the amount you’ve typed you could have easily typed a rationale. The truth is your opinions don’t hold weight and have no good rationale. That is all.

This is pure pseudo intellectualism because you literally have no argument or point.

You have no reasoning and are projecting that onto me because you can’t explain this opinion your feelings have brought you to.

I like the part where you have no details or arguments, just vibes.

I don’t think this is wise at all.

Its just people putting into words their wish to be able to punish and appoint blame above their wishes to be pragmatic.

If software is better at something, there is no reason to be mad at that software.

More than that, the idea that the software vendor could not be held liable is farcical. Of course they could be, or the company running said software. In fact, they’d probably get more shit than managers who regularly get away with ridiculous shit.

I mean wage theft is the biggest form of theft for a reason, and none of the wage thieves are machines (or at least most aren’t).

For those that it does not make sense, it boosts their share price, because investors are not actually as intelligent as we’re lead to believe by the “rich = smart” media.

For those that it does make sense for, the goal is to make you unable to do anything about the increasing wealth disparity.

Have you solved it yet?

It’s a Canadian national super market chain/brand that owns a ton of supermarkets here.

I feel like a lot of people who say this don’t realize how difficult this actually is for many people who live in different circumstances to them.

If you, like many, live in some urban sprawl ass area, Amazon has become the “weird part/replacement/too unique for physical stores but costs 5 times the amount shipping it in from somewhere else” central.

It’s also often more convenient than some other options while being ethically just about on par.

Its like, I can buy this thing from the walmart family, the loblaws family or jeff bezos.

They all have their evil, and it rotates from time to time who is taking the cake.

Like it’s certainly a consideration, like I’ll sometimes pick a slower option just to not buy from amazon, but then its like… its from Bestbuy. How much better is Bestbuy to Amazon? or Newegg?

I mean, tbh the whole inauguration has certainly knocked Amazon down a few pegs for sure, so I guess this is sort of a pre that bias.

My point is, there is a shit ton of things any one person can be doing, and different things are more or less important to different people, so do what you can, and don’t expect perfection of yourself, because there will be things you do (if you’re a person that tries) that the person barking at you for not being perfect in some other aspect will be doing and won’t even be aware of what else you do.