Digit

I willingly paid (iirc) more than that, for a pro copy of suse, and a fsf membership.

Have since paid more for free software than I ever did for proprietary.

It’s the freedom.

Worth investing in.

For each and all, (self included).

I gave the money freely.

Time to move to fish

Is Ironclad “Almost There”?

When I last tried hurd (around 2014 iirc), it was “there” enough. I’m not sure what this other “there” others are on about, like it’s a hard binary transition point to being usable, as if it might as well not be working at all. It’s there enough to give it a go. Long time.

may like fish’s better.

what shell is that, that uses “,” between commands?

data dump flood to hide the pertinent stuff.

like dumping a very large bale of hay on the needle.

Then they must be poor artists. ;)

[User-lock-in] Nonsense.

There are an abundance of creative tools with free software licenses.

A poor artist blames his tools.

Don’t fall for the user-lock-in of the likes of Adobe.

I’m an artist since birth. Using the computer, foremost, for art, and in 2003 when I decided to switch from M$windows, I had already seen, in college a couple years prior, from using sgi machines with IRIX, that there are alternatives out there for creative use, so that maybe eased my way out of the mind-capture of the user-lock-in, already having that ignorance smashed by experience. When I sought an alternative from the abuses of M$ windoze, I at first was thinking I would be taking my familiar Adobe tools and softimage|XSI with me. But in the search, I found the free software philosophy, and the notion of even falling back on using wine to continue to run the software (and software (licensing) paradigm) that had been abusing me withered away too.

Never regretted it.

Bye bye Stockholm syndrome.

Awareness of how easy and nice it is, seems a greater hurdle than how easy and nice it is. From my experience, [in 2003, with my first install of suse as a fresh windows refugee] it was already easy enough before ubuntu came along advertising that it made it easier and nicer (~ I noticed no significant change from ubuntu to how easy and nice it was, they just had stronger marketing).

People just don’t know [how easy and nice it is].

Same as they don’t know the distinction of free software being an entirely different philosophical paradigm to live, not just another platform to be abused by.

Yep.

Gotta keep telling them about the 4 freedoms of free software, showing how it’s not just another platform for consumers to hope their daddy corporation is the kindest to them.

Before I tried gentoo (or rather sabayon, for 3 years before gentoo proper), from all the “you have to compile everything”, I imagined that as a lot of running “make”. I didn’t realise it’s even easier¹ than other package managers.

¹ emerge is shorter to type than e.g. apt-get install

I’m not sure about him.

Really?

Yes. Gentoo really is like that compared to arch.

I never tried Arch, so I can’t compare.

Oh.

Specially coming from Arch it should be a breeze.

That^ made it seem to me like you had.

Gentoo is easy and almost user-friendly.

Specially coming from Arch it should be a breeze.

Less prone to randomly biting your head off anyway.

More tame.

Takes more petting though, to get it to settle.

Psst, @evol@lemmy.today, over here… shsh… I’m hiding this suggestion buried down here in the comments…

I very often have visions of an 8-bit future.

A very retro-futurism. An 80’s esq cyber-punk future.

“CEEFAX in space”. 8-bit. The last human level of computing.

I used Hurd a little over a decade ago… And it was fine.

People talk about it like it does not work yet. It does. You can use Hurd.

If you want something more challenging, with less cheating, than Gentoo, you could try Exherbo.

bitching on Gentoo because it is allegedly difficult to install

Just earlier, I saw a tui installer for gentoo @ https://lemmy.wtf/post/13625402 , and doubtless many others out there in the wild (even my own from over a decade ago).

And then there are things like CalculateLinux, and RedCoreLinux.

But they’re a bit try-hard, and janky, especially RedCoreLinux.

Gone are the days of Toorox or CloverOS, which were much more like just a straight nice plain desktop Gentoo out of the box with an easy installer.

Then there’s the likes of DecibelLinux… handy if your thing is audio production. Stage4 Gentoo, fit for discovery of all the audio tools.

Though of course, indeed, Gentoo’s not hard to install. Here’s the only gentoo install video you will ever need, and it’s less than 40 seconds long! Simples.

DragonflyBSD

I was just thinking of that, and HAMMER, when reading the BeOS & BeFS posts above.