Thank you to all the linux gooners bumping these numbers up

How big is your power supply? That sounds like its running out of power and shutdown when the GPU and could spin up

Majority of linux users are on a monetized OS. Consultancy, extended service, feature implementation, fast support, donations, merch are all common monetisation methods across major linux distros and there is nothing wrong with any of them.

There are very few distros funded solely by the maintainers they are usually hobby projects.

I know that guy is a crazy tankie, I’ve see him around. What he brought up is a bunch of shit intended to waste time. He doesnt care about any of those things so trying to argue is a waste of time and most of its untrue or misleading.

Which ones dont monetize their OS? Its not that they are uniquely important. Its that its perfectly fine to monetize their own os. They are selling a service that is additional support for users that want it. Pretty simple stuff, you see users asking for this stuff all the time.

Why shouldn’t they be able to offer additional paid support for their own distro? Why does it matter

Poof them out of existence, and what, outside of their own direct projects, breaks?

How is this relevant at all?

Hardware support and working with manufacturers to bring linux support, vendor support bringing mainstream apps to linux, advertising linux laptops and getting it in front of people all around the world, Wayland, gnome, accessibility, a ton shit way to much to list. Just because the improvements are done for Ubuntu doesnt mean they arent useful on other distros. Its free software after all the rising tide lifts all boats. Canonical arent a huge mega corp raking in cash. They cant compare to giants like redhat.

Fuck off Tankie, I will not fall for your concern trolling bait today.

You do not seriously think all canonical has done is snaps and Gnome.

Is building one of the most popular linux desktop environments and distros not enough to sell a paid support package to the users who want it? I dont think thats unfair.

What do you think canonical should charge for? They do put a ton of work into the linux eco system

Claude please place this rake down I’m about to take a step forward!

Got to protect users from someone doing script assisted kick flips

The drama was so minor 99.99% no longer care

His steamdeck

I know this is pedantic but Linux does give users the free to do this. They just need to add a patch to their desktop and patch their app to make it so.

I thought that snaps were open. The only thing Ubuntu didnt open source was the storefront and people can build there own storefront.

Is that wrong?

I think their update model is actually great. People are super hesitant to have apps auto update but its important to push out security updates quickly to minimise damage. It can be easily disabled if you insist on manually updating.

I am defending Manjaro not because I think its a top tier distro that people NEED to use but only because I think the criticism is overblown and its becoming dogma and it needs to be pushed back. I also do not like seeing users who would be fine on the distro are pushed away with scary warnings. There are very few distro choices that new users would pick that would actually be a bad choice, the ones I would say would be Kali and Arch. The rest are fine. Remember when a user asks hey I wanted to try out this distro call Manjaro it seems good and there is like 100 comments making it seem like the stupidest most dangerous choice and recommending a slew of other options they’re probably less likely to suddenly trust that advice and more likely to just stay in the comfort of what they are already on.

For the Manjaro defense I only find 3 instances of their SSL failing and they seem to be for non critical subdomains on the web. Its avoidable but its a mild inconvenience with no critical impact. During my search I see that a ton of the biggest tech companies in the world have had the same issue multiple times on actually critical domains and other distros have had the same issue. Its an SSL cert expiring its like one of the most basic fuckups in IT and it catches everyone thats why a whole industry got made out of products that fix the problem.

The other thing people bring up is the AUR DDos which sounds bad but reading through the AUR bug thread it didnt seem to be a big deal and it had happened multiple times before from bugs in aur helpers. Its software this shit happens, it happens everywhere at every level. Why are we holding a mid tier linux distro with probably 10k users to the standards of apple/microsoft (who have all had similar issues and far far bigger fuckups).

Keep going up and up the chain of command. There is no situation where no one us responsible.

Its pretty common knowledge so I dont feel like I need to cite battery life comparison videos.

Laptop manufacturers do a lot at the driver level to optimise battery life. In linux most laptops are using 3rd party drivers with very few having vendor support. This plus windows having a more mature power saving system.To top it off CPU sleep states dont work as well as on windows because vendor did not put the effort in.

Theoretical linux could have better battery life if the manufacturer supported its drivers we see this with the legion go s windows vs linux and the steamdeck windows vs linux.

Yes