Yeah outrageous! We have the animals transported, killed, slaughtered and packed behind closed doors so no one buying meat would have to feel guilty. This way the product has no affiliation to a living animal. Why would he do this, now Gen Z/A might think meat comes from animals. This will cost the meat industry money so he might end up with a horse’s head in his bed.

In the US they voted for a dictator who taxes the poor and makes the rich oligarchs. Who gets rid of regulations for company profits, like food safety regulations and use of toxic chemicals in consumer products. It’s clear the US doesn’t want to change for the better. It’s just sad there are so many people who didnt vote for this, who were misinformed when voting, who weren’t allowed to vote. And many are the victim of this insane dystopian shit show. Not just domestic, also the estimated 600.000 people who died because USAID was scrapped. We lost our strongest ally while Russia is fighting a war with our next door neighbor while eyeballing our back garden. With the dumbest trade wars people are unable to pay for groceries and basic needs. People are being murdered near Venezuela. People are being taken by Gestapo-like forces, put in concentration camps while being under fed, dying, disappearing, being greatly mistreated.

This is what the US did and is doing. This is what people voted for, while the people who didn’t vote for this are just doing basically nothing, waiting for an even worse situation to come.

You wanted guns to rise up against the government in case you disagree, no cost too great to protect this right. Even the lives of children aren’t worth more. Well, go on then, this is your time to show why you have a second amendment. Rise up against fascism, before it’s too late.

that would be astronomically expensive

Guns are too. What do you think it costs in health care, police, intelligence services, dealing with bodies, loss of work force (as they are dead) etc? Why not stop deporting people, as that actually is astronomically expensive. You can just make excuses why to keep guns, saying it’s impossible, but is has been proven it’s possible and statistics show it works.

You’re the one that thinks nobody ever invaded someone’s home before guns existed lol, that’s on you.

Again, those were different times. I live in a country where it’s national news if something like a violent home invasion happens. Same with all the other countries around us.

You’re privileged enough to tell poor people in bad neighborhoods to “just move somewhere better bro”

If you live in a war zone, yeah, fleeing is the better option. I have friends who fled from war, who traveled from Iraq and Syria with nothing. If the alternative is a high probability of losing your life, I’d know what I’d chose.

Detroit is a city often tied to black people and poverty and was usually used as every racist uncle’s example

I chose Detroit as an example as it has high crime rates. You made it racist by assuming I meant black people. Wrong assumption.

Like I said I assume by “privileged European” you didn’t know that.

Indeed, I didn’t know you would find a way to change so. Thing I said into something racist. I may be a “privileged European” but I’ve been in wars myself, I’ve been homeless once, I’m unable to work anymore due to really bad PTSD due to my wartime experience, I’ve seen hundreds of people drown while fleeing from war, I’ve seen people being tortured, I’ve seen dead babies on the side of the road, etc. But what do I know about gun violence, being poor and surviving, right?

The issue I mostly have with Americans is their claim of having a monopoly on the truth, knowing everything better while not knowing anything from the rest of the world. You’re not much different so far.

Get rid of guns and violence will drastically decrease. Or you can just add more guns and enjoy killing each other The Purge style, as you all are so full of hate towards each other.

Statistically there’s a higher chance to use a gun on yourself during dark days, you know, which we all have sometimes, or have someone hurt during an accident with it (like a kid finds it or you shoot your partner/kid/friend coming home late while thinking it’s a burger) than you actually needing to protect yourself.

But why is it there are so many murder hungry people in the US? You make it sound like the Purge. What does law enforcement do with these murderous groups? Honestly, I haven’t heard of any group actively braking in to kill people just because. Do you have sources of this happening?

The Netherlands.

They can get them and will continue to be able to, pandora’s box has been opened.

Yhrt3e a difference to being able to buy a gun for a few hundred bucks in a supermarket and only being able to buy a questionable quality gun for several thousand euros on the black market, something which isn’t accessible to anyone (I don’t know anyone who sells guns for example). Sure, 3D printed guns are a thing too, but mostly because parts can be bought freely in the US which can me CNCed into workable parts. Those parts aren’t legal here either.

Also if you look back far enough in history:

Those were different times. So you’re afraid of vikings invading if guns were to be banned?

Ah you’re from a country that has never heard of sarcasm, my apologies.

The Dutch are super sarcastic. I’m autistic, I have a hard time picking it up, sorry.

Again, probably illegally possessed and won’t be gone anytime soon even if they were illegal to possess. And even if they were legal, they are already there.

Australia is a good example. They banned guns all at once, people got angry. Now they live without gun violence. Don’t say it’s not possible.

Rich and privileged

I’m not. Well, I am privileged to have been born here, that’s true. But I’ve seen a lot around the world. Nice places and horrific places (like Mogadishu for example) filled with terror. Because I’ve been to these places, not from reading about it on the internet. I haven’t been to the US though, but I have friends from there (from all around). I may be rich compared to people in Africa but also I have to live from paycheck to paycheck, don’t own a house, no car, no savings etc.

I’m going to assume based on the above observation you don’t understand the subtle racism here. It’s there though, for future reference.

I don’t understand. Saying Detroit has a high crime rate is racist? Or saying not all places in the US have a high crime rate is racist? Could you explain it, I honestly don’t get it. Sorry.

So is your argument everyone should have guns? Because the people wanting to murder you for no reason will have access to them too. I doubt they will invade your home to kill you if they can only get a kitchen knife in stores as a weapon.

How often are people being hunted and killed for just being who they are? Are there actual groups who specifically home invade to kill LGBTQIA+? I knew the US was fucked up, but I haven’t heard of actual death squads.

Objection: speculation.

My country welcomes expats, there’s even an unfair tax cut to lure expats here. You pay less taxes, can find a house more easily than nationals and you can fix this with countless institutes willing to help you find work and a house for free or for a minor fee. And my country isn’t the only one. Especially now with Trump his shit show, and his war against intellectuals, the EU is scouting people from the US. You don’t need thousands to make the move. You will earn more and companies are more than happy to take you, with actual benifits and rights (no maximum sick days for example, like wtf is that really, you can’t stop being sick if you’ve reached the maximum allowed days). Plus, with all the systems in play to make it more easy for expats to come here, it’s not that hard or expensive. English is unofficially (while there are discussions to make it official) our second language so there are loads of job opportunities here, even if you don’t speak our native language. Also if you’re disabled. This isn’t America, people here are treated like actual people. And if you can’t work full time, you can get benifits.

they were held up at gunpoint

Would be nice if they didn’t have access to guns right? Perfect example why guns should be banned. Because what would you do, invading a home to ving people when you don’t have anything to hold them at gunpoint with?

I know I know he was a master criminal because weed

Selling a bit of weed is being a master criminal? Mate, what rock are you living under?

and the guy stabbed him and stole the weed

Wtf, did he sell it in a back alley to a stranger or something? My drug dealer is a good friend of mine, he always takes care of his clients, which are all his friends. Like seriously, getting stabbed for a bit of weed? How much of the story are you not telling me? Who would stab for a bit of weed? I mean, if he had 5 kilos of cocain I’d understand if someone tried to tip him off, but a bit of weed? Makes no sense. But again, access to weapons makes use of them more likely. Whether it’s guns or knives, or anything else.

but we did hear gunshots in the distance every night and I found a crushed .40sw round right next to my mailbox

Again, would have been great if no one had guns. Ban that shit!

I’m also nice to people, I also “don’t have any enemies,” so are my friends, but it seems not everyone needs to think of you as an “enemy” before they attack you

Bro, maybe move to another neighborhood which isn’t a fucking war zone. I know, it’s easily talking when loving I na first world country and giving advice to someone living in a 3rd world country, but I know people in the US and there are places where the violence is much lower than other places like Detroit for example.

So yeah it’s not all about “enemies,” nor “locks” even if you were an agoraphobe.

I agree, it’s mostly about people having easy access to lethal weapons which makes the lives of everyone else much less safe.

Over here I can go onto the streets, everywhere at any time, day or night, without having to fear for my life. I’m not saying there isn’t crime and women can do the same as we have less nice neighborhoods as well, but at least we don’t have to fear for our lives when going outside. When someone gets killed it’s national news as it’s so rare, everyone is in shock. There are 0.2 to 0.25 deaths by guns per 100.000 inhabitants per year, which is a steap increase compared to 10 years ago, with the coming of the Moroccan èn Mexican mafia these days. In the US it’s 13.7 in 2023 which is lower than the years before. But sure, keep discarding statistics and blame anything but guns. You give examples of people with easy access to weapons committing crimes, as an argument for having guns while it’s exactly why you shouldn’t have any. We’re not allowed to have tasers, pepperspray, numchucks, knuckelirons, rubber sticks or any other weapons. Crime is so low because of that, criminals don’t want to pay 7000 euros for a crappy pistol on a black marked they don’t even have connections to, just to rob someone of their wallet which doesn’t even contain cash money anymore. Also, we build our houses from stone and concrete, with proper locks the time to break in is longer than it takes for the cops to arrive. No one is worried about anyone entering their house to hurt them. People just worry about their iPad getting stolen, or their bike. Which happens without weapons, BECAUSE NO ONE HAS THEM.

Even pepper spray is illegal in my country.

Exactly. Or the chance of accidentally injuring others when driving a huge ass truck you don’t need.

Improving your safety shouldn’t be at the cost of the safety of others.

Do you? There are maaaaaany places much better than that fucked up country.

Right. So let’s give them access to guns, that’s a super smart idea. “There’s a group of murderous people in my country. What to do? I know, let’s give everyone lethal weapons which you can buy at the super market, that will make everyone safer.”

In my country, cops and the military have guns. And a tiny group who use them for hunting and sports. There are roughly 35 to 40 people killed by guns per year, in a country of 18 million inhabitants. That’s 0.2 to 0.25 per 100.000. This is much more than 10 years ago. One of our provinces is considered a narco state, we have Moroccan mafia, the Mexican cartels are here too. So it’s not like we don’t have crime and we have no issues.

As a comparison, in the US in 2023 the amount of deaths by guns was 13.7 per 100.000, which has been less than the years before, according to Pew Research Center.

It’s super simple math. Add guns to society, the amount of gun violence and deaths will rise. Remove guns from society, the amount of gun violence and deaths will decrease. Look at Australia for example, one of many countries where they banned guns, after the worst mass shooting ever. Never had a mass shooting ever again, since 1996. They went from an average of 3.6 gun deaths per 100.000 per year before 1996 to 0.8 in 2018.

But in the US their logic is “maybe we need to add more guns? Maybe the problem is too much doors in schools. You know what? I think we need to pray harder.”

But you know, statistics are just for nerds, what’s a nerd going to do against an AR-15 right?

What a fucking dystopia if you can just buy a gun in a store. The majority of people are idiots, why give everyone access to devices specifically made to kill people? Is society really safer if everyone has a gun? When it comes to disputes there’s a whole spectrum between shouting “hey asshole” and killing someone, but every other form of escalation is skipped when guns are involved. It’s just stupid. Especially when you make everyone stupid with junk food. Then you have stupid people doing stupid things with lethal weapons. Like school shootings for example, which is considered ‘normal’ these days and ‘collateral damage’ to protect the second amendment. “I don’t mind my kids are at risk of getting shot and killed at school, so I can have guns, so I can protect my family against other people with guns.” If you take guns out of the equation, a lot of issues will be solved. But since Americans now learn how to hide from shooters instead of math, I wonder if they even know what an equation is. The US is not far from the world portrayed in the movie Idiocracy.

What a fucking dystopia it is, when people can just bring guns to stores. Why would you need a murder weapon, do you have that many enemies? Statistically you’re more likely to use it on yourself, or a kid finds it and hurts itself or someone else. Unless it’s in a safe, in which case it’s useless for home protection when all your enemies are coming over to kill you. Seriously dude, what did you do to have that many people wanting to kill you. Do you want to know what I have for home protection? Machine gun? RPG? Wrong, I have locks. They still haven’t killed me. I am being held hostage by my 3 cats though. Also, I’m nice to people, I don’t have enemies.

I agree. Don’t steal stuff which is owned by someone. Only steal from mega corps and share it with friends.