i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

the speciesism wiki entry is very good, with well-formed arguments in favor of speciesism.

op. https://programming.dev/post/44899977

you still haven’t provided any cognitive behavioral science to support the claim that nonhuman understand that they themselves might die, which is an essential step in establishing that they want to live out that they didn’t want to die

ease is a relative term

I’m mostly referencing your allusion to agriculture as a developmental milestone

I think you are giving a very eurocentric description of early humanity

there is no reason to suppose eating animals is bad. since it is so normal, both among humans and in the natural world, the burden is on those who propose that we don’t do that.

i never suggested they don’t have consciousness, though i rather doubt that some animals, like muscles, do. i said they don’t understand personal mortality. if you can find me an animal cognitive behaviorist who disagrees, i’d love to read their work.

do you treat your phone like you treat your neighbors phone, and like you treat your laptop, and like you treat your car?

it’s not solipsism. it animal cognitive behavioral study.

beings that don’t want to be killed

there isn’t proof nonhuman animals understand personal mortality.

treating different things differently is necessary for right action. you wouldn’t treat a whale like a lion or vice versa.

I didn’t say anything about worthiness or lesser treatment.

explaining that people deserve more respect than nonpersons isn’t right wing, just as it’s antithesis isn’t left wing.

nothing was debunked

I’m right, and I’m not a tankie, but I hope you enjoy your echo chamber

the Holocaust was bad, in part, because it treated people like animals. his opinion isn’t well reasoned moral philosophy.

comparing slaves to animals is what slavers do

when nonhuman animals assert their personhood, that will change things.

nonhuman animals aren’t people

they posted it elsewhere, and there is no reason to expect they’d see any feedback posted here.