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  • lengau@midwest.socialtoMemes@lemmy.mlDating apps be like
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    9 months ago

    “Building an alternative” doesn’t happen in the ballot box. It happens everywhere else.

    It happens by getting a better voting system rather than FPTP, for which I’m doing actual, active advocacy. (Are you?)

    It happens by working at a grassroots level to get people with better opinions elected, all the way down to local judges, city council members and library boards, where I, once again, am active. (Are you?)

    It happens by getting involved in politics at a local level and building a movement. I’m doing that. (Are you?) It doesn’t happen by throwing a tantrum in the voting booth.

    The fascists know this. The fascists use this to their advantage. And the fascists would absolutely love for there to be 10 competing leftist parties acting as a spoiler effect for liberals. Because as bad as liberals are, fascists are worse.

    Throwing out a “no u” when I point out how the things you are doing are paving the way for fascists is not a good argument unless your goal is to actually get fascists into power. And I will choose liberalism over fascism, because that’s the harm reduction path to leftism, whereas letting the fascists win is the harm maximisation path.


  • Yes yes, we all see the rhetorical trap you’re trying to deploy. It’s not exactly subtle.

    Meanwhile in the real world, in most of the US there is no realistic alternative to the red/blue dichotomy, and so while we’re actually building that alternative we have to choose between those two. At the national level and in most (possibly all) senate/house races, that’s the reality of the situation. You either work with the coalition you think is less evil and try to convince them to be even less evil, or you admit that you’re okay with the more evil option if it gives you a feeling of moral superiority.



  • lengau@midwest.socialtoMemes@lemmy.mlDating apps be like
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    9 months ago

    Look, if you don’t care about LGBT folks, women who need abortions, asylum seekers, etc. you can pull that “don’t care” lever. But “I care about making a symbolic, but ultimately toothless, gesture about Palestine more than I care about the lives of thousands, possibly millions of others” is what voting third-party is telling the system right now. If that makes you feel morally superior, we’re at an impasse because I don’t know how to explain to someone that an action to save lives is more powerful than an unrealistic gesture about saving even more lives, but which will realistically increase the amount of death and suffering.



  • lengau@midwest.socialtoMemes@lemmy.mlDating apps be like
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    9 months ago

    Yeah, the “you’re voting for genocide” argument is also ridiculous, as the choices essentially boil down to:

    🔲 One genocide (with a potential of partial mitigation)
    🔲 2+ genocides (and the one being even worse)
    🔲 Don’t care (in green)
    🔲 Don’t care (in yellow)

    etc.

    Genocide is bad. That should not be a controversial statement. I will use my vote to choose the least genocide that it has the power to choose, and I will use my other energy to advocate for less (and hopefully zero) genocide.

    You don’t have to like that fact. I certainly don’t like it. But this is exactly what harm reduction looks like.