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Thx for the post, comments gave me a good laugh
So I keep hearing stuff about piefed and find myself asking: Why does anyone care? There’s millions of idiots on the internet and thousands on lemmy instances, what makes piefed so special? Half to 2/3 of .world are at the political kids’ table as it is.
Because the piefed social credit score makes it more difficult to bring the people from the political kids table to the political adult table (those anti-communists basically are recreating reddit to keep the “masses” uneducated)
Well turns out if you don’t make constant hate posts against platforms like Piefed a bunch of dumb Liberals will believe the Piefed hate posts.
Liberals are in a never ending “Tankie reee” shit slinging contest and they are used to not receiving anything back.
still better than reddit imo; atleast here, they just block you.
… and then turn around to complain that there’s no content while refusing to accept that they’ve effectively blocked most of the content creators in doing so. lol
Spite-posting is cringe
Social democrats who live in reality: The Democrats are better than Republicans.
Lemmy Communists: Liberal!!!
Social democratsThe moderate wing of fascism who livein realityon imperial plunder: The Democrats are better than Republicans.Social democracy literally is a form of liberalism though

Yes? That’s a very liberal position.
I didn’t even catch that TBH, but the implication that social democrats somehow AREN’T liberals is funny.
It’s more of a pragmatic position than a political one. The “both sides are the same” people aren’t exactly right, it’s more “both sides are bad”.
As for whether I qualify as a “liberal”, there are so many definitions for the word that it doesn’t matter. In the example though it’s being used as a slur basically. There is nothing worse you can be called on Lemmy than a liberal.
Nobody truly is saying both sides are the exact same down to the atom, but instead that both are beyond bad enough to force us to try to organize outside of them, and far more similar than different. Further, communists aren’t communists simply out of ideals, but out of pragmatism. Voting for democrats is certainly easier, but doesn’t actually fix anything, meaning it isn’t a practical solution.
It’s not a solution, but as you said it’s easier. We can and should do both. Even if voting for the Democrats saves one life from climate change or ICE, it’s worth doing.
What about the cost of the signal sent to the Democrats that their current positions are enough to earn your votes?
I would respond: if not voting for the Democrats (and voting for a party to their left) saves one life from climate change, imperialism, COVID, or ICE because it pressures them to take stronger positions on those issues, it’s also worth doing.
The Democrats make it pretty clear that they do not care about our votes, or about beating Republicans. We have to organize outside of the Democratic party infrastructure, while reluctantly voting for the lesser of two evils.
The measures taken by the DNC have not meaningfully countered climate change, and the DNC funds ICE as well. It’s allowed to be easier because it won’t change anything materially, that’s what I mean by saying both are so bad that neither are acceptable.
If you need to change a lightbulb, and said lightbulb is 20 feet above you, neither a 9 foot nor 10 foot ladder will allow you to get there. The end result is the same, even if both ladders are different and one gets you closer. The hard but practical solution is to find a ladder that can actually reach the bulb!
Even if the DNC haven’t meaningfully countered climate change, they haven’t done nothing either. They also likely wouldn’t have abolished USAID which, while it existed for propaganda purposes, did save lives.
USAID was used for the purposes of solidifying compradors, and was abolished because it was getting more expensive for reduced gains as imperialism decays. It’s extremely likely that the DNC would have reduced USAID, like the GOP has (and it isn’t abolished, just transformed).
Both the DNC and GOP are servants of capital. The DNC is not a group of “nicer” capitalists. Therefore, we need to overthrow the imperialist system and establish socialism.
You’ve spent this entire conversation loudly espousing your support for various flavors of Hitler. Derision is the least you deserve.
If you think that’s what I’ve been doing, you need better reading comprehension.
le check your le reading comprehension
The last refuge of the online loser
By that logic, Hindenburg was “better” than Hitler, but choosing one still got you the other in the end.
You can guarantee yourself Hitler, or you can pragmatically choose Hindenburg and give your country a chance.
No actually, because despite what so many libs here seems to believe for some reason Hitler didn’t win the election, Hindenburg won, then he proceeded to appoint Hitler as chancellor and let Hitler use the position to make himself a dictator.
The only correct choice in that election was Thälmann.
If he had a chance of winning, yes.
He would have probably won if SPD supported him instead of Hindenburg.
You still seem stuck on the idea that winning the German election was important. I’m reminding you again that it took hitler approximately 1 year to go from losing that election in 1932 to consolidating absolute power in 1933 with the Enabling Act.
It looks like Hitler’s rise to power was the result of Germany’s proportional representation political system and the inability to form government. He was able to keep forcing elections until he won.
So the analogy is not appropriate.
Took me a while to get wikipedia to tell me the voting system.
He was able to keep forcing elections until he won.
He literally did not win the election. As I just told you, he lost the election in 1932 and within a year he had essentially absolute power. Democracy didn’t matter to the nazis, they took power when they were able to practically, after hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg.
He didn’t win, he got handed power from Hindenburg.
Took me a while to get wikipedia to tell me
“Sorry, I had to consult the liberal Holy Scripture”
Most historically literate liberal
choose hindenburg in 1932
get hitler in 1933 anyway
historians are still trying to figure out how this happened /s
Liberals be playing Hitler Gatcha lmfao
And lemmy communists be playing Hitler cookie clicker.
If we had the electoral power you losers think we have, why aren’t you bending the knee to us instead of moderate Republicans who fantasize about throwing you into meat grinders
I’m not the one who needs to bend the knee, and those “moderate Republicans” aren’t ever going to.
Plus you’re all kind of obnoxious so I wouldn’t really want to be associated with you publicly.
I’m not the one who needs to bend the knee
Then stop complaining about us not voting for you.


Ah yes, the classic “the tankies are loud and mean so I HAD TO BECOME A FASCIST”
Okay have fun electing Hitler then.
We aren’t ever gonna bend the knee either, so you can either start practicing your lunges or start practicing your goose stepping. I’m pretty sure I know which one you’ll choose.
Or, maybe, you could actively resist the system that gets you Hitler no matter who you vote for through direct action and organizing?
Yeah, but maybe give yourself more time to do that by, for example, not electing Hitler.
Lol. Not beating the historically illiterate accusation
“Voting against the Nazi’s didn’t work for Germans, so let’s just try letting the Nazi’s win from the get-go”
You’re the one arguing to vote for Nazis
Voting against the Nazis didn’t work for Germans, but it will work for us. I need my treats for a small time longer you know
Remind me why the Democrats had the nicknames “Genocide Joe” and “Holocaust Harris”
I’d say Trump isn’t much better, but the Gaza Peace Plan is an improvement over the status quo from before. But the parallels between Trump and Hitler are far stronger than between Biden and Hitler, especially on domestic policy.
I’m not faulting people for not voting in 2024, Trump was more of a wildcard than Biden. Voting Biden in guaranteed a continued genocide but nobody knew what Trump would do.
Trump is an exception to the Republican rule, his foreign policy is very idiosyncratic and his domestic policy is more mask-off (metaphorically, not literally). The Republican party behind him is more uniform in their unconditional support for Israel. The Democrat party is fractured on that front and broadly (though not unanimously) united against the most murderous of Trump’s domestic policies.
Maybe abstaining or voting third-party will incite a communist revolution, I don’t know, but right now more people are dying than would under a Democrat senate majority and I don’t see them being able to make things worse in Gaza (and they’re not really ideologically pro-genocide, they just don’t care as long as they have access to Israeli military bases).
This logic works if you see non-Americans as Untermenschen. But if you don’t then Trumps sheer incompetence is the lesser evil for the world.
You wouldn’t really be getting more time though. Fascism is capitalism self-preservation response, if you started successfully mass-organizing under Hindenburg, the state would start putting in a lot of the same policies Hitler did later on. You need to act decisively and with enough force to overpower the state. Mind you, it’s not exactly like the means the Nazis seized power was especially legitimate.
are you aware of what happened when hindenburg was elected
After skimming wikipedia, yes. I’m also aware of what would’ve happened if Hitler was elected instead.
After skimming wikipedia
“No.” The response you were looking for was “No.”
I’m also aware of what would’ve happened if Hitler as elected instead.
Literally exactly the same thing?
The exact same thing, but faster and with less uncertainty.
And you “know” that how? A minute ago you literally didn’t know who won the election, now you’re claiming knowledge of alternative realities?
So basically no difference.
You’re acting like the nazis were waiting to be given power legitimately when they in fact abolished any democracy the moment they were able to get away with it. The timeline here wasn’t driven by “can hitler get enough votes to win”, hitler took power however he could (he didn’t win the vote) and abolished voting as soon as he was able. I don’t know why you think that voting against the people who plan to abolish the right to vote will do anything, they literally openly do not respect the practice or the outcomes of votes. Politically, you are staring at the shadows on the wall of Plato’s cave and getting mad at people asking you to actually exit the cave and do something that might have an effect against fascists.
there is no way you are this ignorant, there no hope for libs
I almost upvoted this because I thought it was a really funny joke. Liberals are washed.
Communists who are blessed and cursed with pattern recognition: the Democrats and Republicans are part of the same omnicidal capitalist machine, and neither has any interest in changing the increasingly unbearable status quo.
If you want to talk about “reality”, you’ll quickly find yourself ostracized by Democrat supporters. Free Palestine.
The oligarchs who own America are not a monolith, nor is congress. The Democrats and Republicans are in reality, slightly different.
slightly different
Even you have reached the point where you can’t confidently affirm their differences anymore and are reduced to having to add diminutive adjectives in front to prevent yourself from getting called out for saying something that is obviously false. You’re out there fighting for the scraps left of your “argument” after we tore it to shreds, it’s frankly pathetic. And pretty funny to me so please by all means do go on.

Do you honestly believe “the Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same”. Do you not accept that the abortion policy of the Democrats is better, for example?
You mean the one where they let the Republicans repeal Roe v Wade without doing anything about it despite their candidate being president? That one? In that case please do forgive me as it’s obviously very different! If it had been a Republican Roe v Wade would have been overturned, but thanks to the Democrats Roe v Wade has been overturned but at least a democrat was president! Soooo much better!
It’s a perfect example of liberal idealism. They ignore how the world actually is, instead treating identical actions and outcomes as somehow different based on vibes.
We’ve seen what a democratic supermajority looks like. It’s one where Romneycare becomes national policy, Roe v. Wade isn’t codified, and the Bush Doctrine is expanded. Yet somehow, things would totally be different in the year of our Lord 2026 anno dominoes pizza, as if Biden’s administration wasn’t an extension of Trump.
The abortion policy of the Democrats is to roll over for the Republicans
When have the Democrats actually defended abortion? They’ve had plenty of opportunities to codify it as a right, but they don’t actually want to do that. Their abortion policy is worse than Republicans because they’re dishonest about wanting to protect it, while the Republicans are honest about being assholes who don’t believe women should have rights.
How anyone attempts to defend North Korea never ceases to blow my mind
The DPRK is a socialist country, that more than any other has been the subject of constant misinformation and mythologizing in the west. It’s the single most misunderstood state on the planet. No, it isn’t some utopia, but it instead is a real country with real people living their lives. It isn’t Mordor.
The Black Panther Party famously supported the DPRK, as do many African countries for the DPRK’s role in African liberation movements in the 20th century. Cuba maintains friendly ties. More than anything, it’s been mythologized about to the point of absurdity.
The problem with reporting on the DPRK is that information is extremely limited on what is actually going on there, at least in the English language (much can be read in Korean, Mandarin, Russian, and even Spanish). Most reports come from defectors, and said defectors are notoriously dubious in their accounts, something the WikiPedia page on Media Coverage of North Korea spells out quite clearly. These defectors are also held in confined cells for around 6 months before being released to the public in the ROK, in… unkind conditions, and pressured into divulging information. Additionally, defectors are paid for giving testemonials, and these testimonials are paid more the more severe they are. From the Wiki page:
Felix Abt, a Swiss businessman who lived in the DPRK, argues that defectors are inherently biased. He says that 70 percent of defectors in South Korea are unemployed, and selling sensationalist stories is a way for them to make a living.
Side note: there is a great documentary on the treatment of DPRK defectors titled Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul, which interviews DPRK defectors and laywers legally defending them, if you’re curious. I also recommend My Brothers and Sisters in the North, a documentary made by a journalist from the Republic of Korea that was stripped of her citizenship for making this documentary humanizing the people in the DPRK.
Because of these issues, there is a long history of what we consider legitimate news sources of reporting and then walking back stories. Even the famous “120 dogs” execution ended up to have been a fabrication originating in a Chinese satirical column, reported entirely seriously and later walked back by some news outlets. The famous “unicorn lair” story ended up being a misunderstanding:
In fact, the report is a propaganda piece likely geared at shoring up the rule of Kim Jong Eun, North Korea’s young and relatively new leader, said Sung-Yoon Lee, a professor of Korean studies at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. Most likely, North Koreans don’t take the report literally, Lee told LiveScience.
“It’s more symbolic,” Lee said, adding, “My take is North Koreans don’t believe all of that, but they bring certain symbolic value to celebrating your own identify, maybe even notions of cultural exceptionalism and superiority. It boosts morale.”
These aren’t tabloids, these are mainstream news sources. NBC News reported the 120 dogs story. Same with USA Today. The frequently reported concept of “state-mandated haircut styles”, as an example, also ended up being bogus sensationalism. People have made entire videos going over this long-running sensationalist misinformation, why it exists, and debunking some of the more absurd articles. As for Radio Free Asia, it is US-government founded and funded. There is good reason to be skeptical of reports sourced entirely from RFA about geopolitical enemies of the US Empire.
Sadly, some people end up using outlandish media stories as an “acceptable outlet” for racism. By accepting uncritically narratives about “barbaric Koreans” pushing trains, eating rats, etc, it serves as a “get out of jail free” card for racists to freely agree with narratives devoid of real evidence.
It’s important to recognize that a large part of why the DPRK appears to be insular is because of UN-imposed sanctions, helmed by the US Empire. It is difficult to get accurate information on the DPRK, but not impossible; Russia, China, and Cuba all have frequent interactions and student exchanges, trade such as in the Rason special economic zone, etc, and there are videos released onto the broader internet from this.
In fact, many citizens who flee the DPRK actually seek to return, and are denied by the ROK. Even BBC is reporting on a high-profile case where a 95 year old veteran wishes to be buried in his homeland, sparking protests by pro-reunification activists in the ROK to help him go home in his final years.
Finally, it’s more unlikely than ever that the DPRK will collapse. The economy was estimated by the Bank of Korea (an ROK bank) to have grown by 3.7% in 2024, thanks to increased trade with Russia. The harshest period for the DPRK, the Arduous March, was in the 90s, and the government did not collapse then. That was the era of mass statvation thanks to the dissolution of the USSR and horrible weather disaster that made the already difficult agricultural climate of northern Korea even worse. Nowadays food is far more stable and the economy is growing, collapse is highly unlikely.
What I think is more likely is that these trends will continue. As the US Empire’s influence wanes, the DPRK will increase trade and interaction with the world, increasing accurate information and helping grow their economy, perhaps even enabling some form of reunification with the ROK. The US Empire leaving the peninsula is the number 1 most important task for reunification, so this is increasingly likely as the US Empire becomes untenable.
Nodutdol, an anti-imperialist group of Korean expats, released a toolkit on better understanding the situation in Korea. This is more like homework, though. I also recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance for learning about the DPRK’s democratic structure.
Sadly, some people end up using outlandish media stories as an “acceptable outlet” for racism.
It’s the guy addressing a crowd from a hill meme.
“Who wants to hear the most racist thing that’s ever been said out loud?”
crowd boos, pitchforks come out
…“About north Korea?”
crowd cheers, throws confetti
Bingo, lmao.
“Traitor´s Guide to North Korea” by Morten Traavik is a really good starting point for liberals to get a viewpoint from a westerner about this country :) i can highly recommend it. It´s from an artist´s point of view and demystifying the country. E.g. this dude took a Discoball around the country to take pictures because it´s fun and north koreans are… shocker… people.
Haven’t heard of that one, thanks!
To people who downvote comments like this:
Why?
People reflexively downvote Cowbee because they’re scared they might accidentally learn something.
and what do you know about them, aside from all the bullshit propaganda from US?
What do you really know about them, when you can throw out any inconvenient fact about them as “bullshit propaganda from US”? Even China and Russia don’t have friendly relations with North Korea (although that’s started to change).
I notice you just completely ignored Cowbees extremely in depth response.
I stopped reading them after the first 20 or so.
I feel like you lose the right to respond when you don’t bother to read the argument
I can imagine why, it must get frustrating being so comprehensively demolished.
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Why?
Maga nazis: you communist liberals just call everyone you disagree with nazis
Liberal nazis: you communist tankies just call everything you don’t agree with US propaganda.
Isn’t it interesting that the “We’re just saying not everyone is a nazi” crowd and the “We’re just saying not everything is US propaganda” crowd have, in practice, adopted the line that “nobody is a nazi” and " nothing is US propaganda", respectively? A neat little trick of projection. It isn’t communists who dismiss “inconvenient facts” as US propaganda, it is in fact anticommunists who uncritically accept convenient US propaganda as “facts”. We see this again and again, with every country the empire targets. If this was 2003, you would be berating us for casting doubt on the very real, totally credible story of Saddam Hussein’s WMD.
Those who learn from this pattern become communists. Those who don’t, stay liberals.
I’m not saying that there is no US propaganda against North Korea and other communist countries. Just that when you are able to dismiss everything as US propaganda you end up as far from the truth as when you blindly accept all US propaganda as true.
The reason I changed my pro-Ukraine stance was not because I debated with pro-Russia zealots on Lemmy. It was because I heard from someone who recognizes that Russia is imperfect and the war unjustified, but that Russia’s concerns were legitimate and that America clearly had a hand in causing it. I still support Ukraine’s territorial integrity BTW, just not anything like the total collapse of the Russian state.
Anyway, an acknowledgement that the North Korean state has real issues of their own making would disprove this. That information is so restricted is evidence of that.
Just that when you are able to dismiss everything as US propaganda
Except communists don’t actually do that, you just reflexively accuse us of doing that when we correctly point out US propaganda. Just like how when liberal point out nazis, maga nazis accuse them of just calling everyone nazis. It’s the exact same dynamic. You can’t give up your self-image of being reasonable, so instead you just pretend that the other person is being unreasonable when you’re met with reasonable pushback
Collectively, I have never heard any Lemmy Communists acknowledge anything negative about the North Korean state at true. Not even once.
Then you’re not looking very hard, and should try asking some good faith questions with an open mind instead of mindlessly repeating lines you’ve been fed. But seeing as you didn’t know who Hindenburg was 15 minutes ago, I have very little faith in your research skills
I remember being like you and thinking it was the most “wacky, crazy, evil” country in the world based on a bunch of YouTube videos, reddit threads and dubiously sourced Cracked listicles. Man, I thought I was so smart.
When you really think about it, why do people in the west even feel the need to have an opinion (especially negative) about the DPRK? All the propaganda is so obviously an attempt to manufacture consent to massacre Koreans again as well as to distract from any problems at home.
I think you answered this actually, it makes them feel smart. The underlying emotional cause is a sense of superiority they get to feel towards the evil eastern “regime” (which is just repackaged colonial racism, in the end), which allows them to feel better about their own lot in life. It’s the white man’s burden.
While I don’t personally uphold them, they’re arguably the easiest of all the “AES” countries to make a case for.
Being anti-Israel long before it was cool even without a dog in the fight is a pretty perfect example #1















