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False meme image that says “bad news ipv4 fans. linus torvalds has announced removing ipv4 support from the linux kernel after the maintainers of the network stack got into a fight over WHAT KIND OF HRT gives the best results. this incident will impact 5 billion people and will make 95% of all network equipment on Earth binnable.” with fake screenshots of the linux kernel mailing list a girl calling another one a slur from 4chan over HRT choices and Linus Torvalds saying he will drop IPv4 support and asking the maintainers to learn to shut the fuck up.
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I’m glad that Linus clarified that it was High Resolution Timers. I was honestly thinking they were arguing about Hormone Replacement Therapy.
Given the demographics of Linux devs, it probably would be the latter.
I know! It seemed totally plausible! There is a very odd discrepancy between that and the general population.
Trans people are either writing kernel code or playing hearts of iron 4. Nothing else is allowed.
THE TOASTER WILL BE REPLACED.
Fucking legendary quote from Linus.
It’s a shame it’s fake.
do you have proof that it’s fake though
There is the rule number one of the linux kernel: “We don’t break userspace.” Linux has refused fixes for buggy behavior in the past because of this rule. This would most certainly break userspace.
Also the alt text of the original image states this is fake.
Well I’m not going to switch away my perfectly functional mesh routers that uses IPv4 as using IPv6 on a local net that I may sometimes need to type in manually is rather stupid. And that would also bin my routers, so I’m not doing that either.
Oh well, I guess it’s been fun guys, no more Linux for me due to potential future security issues.
Do you even DNS?
No. But if this is true (which I do doubt completely, Linus can’t be this dumb to singlehandedly cripple his OS), this should also affect every intranet address.
The current description of IPv6 intranet is just ridiculously dumb anyway. Should I want to ssh into a local device, I’ll have to type in for example
fd9e:9aa0:c00f:1::a, with only thefdpart being the same for all intranets rather than192.168.1.10with192.168generally always being the same.Edit: wait… Are you telling me to set DNS redirects on all my local devices? Yeah, that’ll work, but why the even…
I don’t think I’ve entered an IP address for a local device in years. Everything is accessible using
<hostname>.localthanks to mDNS. Avahi has been doing this for… 20 years I think?Pihole automatically adds clients that get an IP from its DHCP component. All my clients are server.local, client1.local, tv1.local, etc. So I can use their DNS name everywhere.
Even if it don’t want to use pihole(why?), you can edit the SSH config and add addresses for each host so you can just type
ssh serverOr I could also just edit
/etc/hostsif I’m just accessing stuff from my computer. I mean, I understand there are ways around this pain point. But, on IPv4, I wouldn’t have to do anything? Can’t really beat that, right?
I need to inflict this reply upon others. It is so gloriously cursed out of context. And in context too.
I’m kind of weirdly horny for Torvalds making unilateral decisions about long running controversies? Tell me what standards are best kernel daddy.
Maybe next he can ban tabs and ‘\t’ from Linux? Everyone indents with spaces now, debate over.
I’m sorry, WHAT? SPACES???
You ever find yourself lost for half a day indenting 1000+ lines of code in a random script you opened because the original developer was lazy?
I’d never do such a thing manually. I’d toss it in a formatter and call it a day.
No
Me neither. I’d use sed.
:%s/sed/vim/g
If you don’t use IPv6, you are behind. For me the transition was so hard, it’s a big step behind me, wouldn’t want to do it again.
I still remember my network lecturer telling us how IPv6 was the future and how we were running out of IPs back in… 1997.
That same year, during my work placement, I was introduced to Squid and all sorts of network fuckery to compensate for those supposedly disappearing IPs.
I think it is more likely that 95% of network equipment supports IPv6
Except whatever brings internet to my apartment apparently
Your ISP needs to setup IPv6 which isn’t trivial to do from scratch.
What provider is it?
Mine is Quantum Fiber, a sister of CenturyLink. CL has it, apparently QF doesn’t. Or at least not natively, rather 6rd. And then possibly not on the modem they installed? At any rate, I haven’t been able to find anything online.
It should have IPv6
Odd
🤷🏼♂️ When I had CL I could turn it on by enabling 6rd and it worked as expected. When I moved across town and got QF, their instructions didn’t account for it and following the same online instructions for CL don’t work. Others online seem to not have had any luck either, but some people’s comments make it sound like it’s the modem.
As a modest proposal, let’s just kill anyone who disagrees. These troglodytes had long enough time to get on speed with the world and human progress cannot further afford individuals unwilling to adapt.
Renewal! Progress! Electrification!
I’m ignorant enough that I didn’t realize this wasn’t actually happening until I read the comments. My networking knowledge is piss poor haha.
Maybe you shouldn’t treat random images you find on the internet as factual until you can verify the content.
I would have looked it up if the comments didn’t speak about it already. Don’t worry, I’m not a troglodyte when it comes to actually having critical thinking skills.
Maybe this is the push that finally makes IPv6 go mainstream!
Nah, IPX is gonna take over.
What’s IPX?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internetwork_Packet_Exchange
Internetwork Packet Exchange (IPX) is the network-layer protocol in the IPX/SPX protocol suite. IPX is derived from Xerox Network Systems’ IDP. It also has the ability to act as a transport layer protocol.
The IPX/SPX protocol suite was very popular through the late 1980s and mid-1990s because it was used by Novell NetWare, a network operating system. Due to Novell NetWare’s popularity, IPX became a prominent protocol for internetworking.
(Just to be clear, IPX is not going to take over, and my above comment was intended to be humorous.)
It’s IPv10, which binds IPv4 and IPv6 together (4+6=10), sometimes known as Dual Stack.
Can we just treat this as real? Post it everywhere. You know in a sort of “alternative facts” / flat earth sort of way. So maybe the planet finally moves on from ipv4.
I have a feeling, a lot of people willing to move to Linux are already open to trying out IPv6 when they get the time.
Pity my old router only bridges IPv4 and only does IPv6 with NAT (or maybe I just couldn’t understand the interface).Good news is that Google is reporting that >40% of their traffic is IPv6:
https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
Should crack 50% soon. It’s been a long time coming.
A major ISP in the UK still doesn’t have any IPv6 support :( https://www.havevirginmediaenabledipv6yet.co.uk/
They give 2 options: “Sign the petition” and “Tweet them!”, but you could also just en-masse “Switch providers” and make them rethink their strategy.
I still don’t have an IPv6 address over 4G with Vodafone. I want to run a web server on my phone, isn’t this a normal use case? Nat444 makes that pretty difficult, just let me use IPv6!
That’s impressive
Scaling NAT is complex and expensive. They are literally making it harder
Cabled from Vodafone is not much better, ip6 does auto configure from the router with a local address, so it at least supports it. but no routable ips yet.
Removed by mod
I still miss IPv5
For real, what the hell happened to IPv5?
It was a little experiment in streaming that never went anywhere. It can be safely forgotten.
Lmao. Thankfully it’s not real and ipv6.disable=1 will stay in my kernel boot params forever. Just add more layers of NAT if you need more addresses.
There are sooooo many wrong things in such small post…
Name one?
That the internet is not longer accessible if both are behind a nat.
And we don’t start speaking about extra latency in the routers for the nat-lookup-table, the problem of the colliding ports, the mesh problem when you have bottlenecks that cannot be circumvent via bgp routing and so on…
Nat is a disgrace, an affordable one but a disgrace
ipv6 is great for public networks/ wan or extreme large nets. but for a small local net, ipv4 is so much easier if you need to access a single device. if ipv6 is parallell too, great but I hope ipv4 wont be disabled/ non existens in the future bc of this
IPv4 isn’t compatible with IPv6
I actually would argue that IPv6 is better even for small networks since it has SLAAC
As long as IPv2 support remains intact, I’m good.
/s
Not today!
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